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Do you really know what "hell" is?
9 commentsin: Spirituality..16/01/08, 05:36:53 PM
I know it`s been a while since I`ve posted. I`ve been asking some disturbing questions of myself in the pursuit of truth. I haven`t been able to post any of my thoughts because they are scattered and definite conclusions to my questions are evading me. However, I thought I would post one of the questions that I`m contemplating.
First, before I ask the question, I need to give some background to my line of thinking. Christians are often extremely dogmatic and narrow in their interpretation of scripture. I respect people who`ve really studied a matter and stand strong on their convictions. However, in many cases, Christians are only mimicking what their favourite preacher as taught them. I`ve learned that many of the things that we take as “gospel truth” can be confirmed or challenged if we only take the time to search the matter out for ourselves. I have found that even when I start studying for myself, there is a part of me that has already formed my own conclusions and I`m looking to match scripture to what I already believe. Experience has taught me that we can actually find support from the Bible to justify our own premeditated tenants of truth. But let`s be honest! We are playing with words. Words can be manipulated, especially when we take words out of their context. In the case of scripture, we must not only consider the literary context but also the cultural and historical context. One of the basic principles of hermeneutics (guidelines for interpreting scripture) is to avoid the temptation of making a Bible verse mean something for us today that it never meant to the original audience. One of the questions that we must ask is, “What was the writer/speaker meaning to say? And what would the audience at that time understand it to mean?” This is always the primary meaning of a passage of scripture. What was the author saying to the people that he was directly communicating to?
So, why am I going on about this? Well, I`m struggling with something. It`s something that I`ve believed that doesn`t seem right to me anymore. It`s a tenant of theology that is mainstream in the Evangelical church, but it contradicts what I know about God`s character. I`m referring to a place in the afterlife that we call “hell.” Everyone is familiar with this word and every religion seems to have some kind of notion of hell. My background taught me that it is a place that some people go when they die; it is the final destination for people who don`t put their faith in Jesus before they pass from this life to the next. It is described to be a place of eternal suffering. People who end up in hell will experience extreme pain and torture for ever and ever. Now, to be very transparent, I still believe that hell exists, but I find myself questioning the nature of this place. I`m having a very difficult time understanding the purpose in God creating billions of human beings, from which the vast majority will end up suffering for eternity. The ending of this story doesn`t sit well with me.
I don`t enjoy theological debate. To me, this is not about doctrinal fencing. At the end of the day, I only want to know God better. The way I see it is that everything that happens on this planet is used by God to bring redemption. God even takes suffering and turns it around for a redemptive purpose. The scriptures speak of God`s judgment, but He always reveals His restorative plan in the midst of His judgments. The most common view of hell is not consistent with this pattern of God`s character. Where is the redemption in Hell? Why is it too late for people? What would be the purpose of torturing people for eternity without any hope of relief? God is supposed to be a Father. I don`t know any good father who would ever contemplate for a moment, allowing their children to suffer in this way. Things don`t add up here.
Please don`t email me or leave comments trying to convince me that this is a true idea of hell. I know all the answers. I know all about focussing on the will of man. “People choose this fate, not God. God doesn`t want anyone to go to hell.” These answers are not doing it for me anymore. Why is man`s will more powerful that God`s? I thought He was God! I thought He could do anything, even in the face of man`s will. If He is not willing that any should perish, then I tend to think that He will do something about that. I tend to think that God accomplishes what He wills!
Here is the thing: when you actually begin to study the scriptures to see what the writers were writing and when you try to understand what the original audience would have understood these things to mean, this version of hell that we all cling to, starts to crack. For example, many preachers who have taught on hell claim that it is Jesus who speaks most about it in the Bible. However, according to my studies, Jesus never used the word “hell.” It is an English word that we understand today to be a place of eternal torment for the wicked in the after world. Jesus obviously didn`t use that word because the New Testament was written in ancient Greek. The actual word that Jesus used was Gehenna. However, when Jesus said the word “Gehenna,” his hearers didn`t imagine a place in the afterlife at all. Gehenna was an actual place that existed in their world. It was the Greek name for a valley that was just south of Jerusalem. We read “hell,” but they actually heard the word “Gehenna.” Why do our translators use the English word “hell” to translate the name of an actual place?
It seems really fishy! I`m very disturbed by this. Things are not what they seem.
More to come later…
Comments
“I hear you brother, you are not alone. I admire your courage to speak to this issue. Thanks for the blog and podcast. Your words are extremely encouraging to me. I've been in "exile" for four years. It's been a wonderful journey. „
“I also struggle with hell and may not have read as extensively as yourself but have followed some of the arguments on the Internet and have never been able to reconcile God as love and say something like Calvinism.
There seems to be this huge disconnect between what we are told: a God who will torture friends and family for eternity and the naked and abused God who hung on a cross and became sin to bring people to a place of wholeness and communion.
I'm looking forward to your next installment. „
“This is a very important topic. Please keep us posted on your thoughts along the way.
I am ok with the traditional view of Hell, but I enjoy hearing alternative views that are well thought out and defended. When people are against the idea of hell because they just want God to call a big group hug then I lose interest in hearing them really fast.
Explore the meaning of Gehenna and if you can take us along for the ride.„
“A constant struggle for me, connecting the God in the Old Testament to the one in the New! How do I deal with Proverbs 16:4? How can my God be the one who ordered the complete destruction of cities which included the slaughter of men, women, and children? I look forward to your thoughts on Gehenna, but, I think your answers will be found more in a study of the complete character of God.
Look forward to the journey together!„
“I've been thinking and reading about hell aswel. I too don't believe in a place of eternal suffering. But after being convinced there is no hell (as in eternal suffering), i'm facing alot of other questions. Calvinism is rooted deep in the netherlands, and it's hard challenging my own belief systems.
http://hopebeyondhell.net/ is good resource, covering all the scripture and arguments concerning hell.
I hope you keep us updated on the things you find out about God!
Greetings from the Netherlands :)„
“I just blogged about hell today
http://godmessedmeup.blogspot.com/2008/01/can-grace-go-to-hell.html
spooky, Paul, spooky. This is the second time in about eight weeks that you and I have been blogging about the same thing. We must be on the same wave length.
Anyway, I am along the same thought path as you. I plan on writing two more segments to my Hell Thing series. The first post just raises some concerns. In my second post I'll introduce some scholars and church names who are CU's (christian universalists). And in my third post I intend to get into to have a bible verse throw-down between the perspective of CU and the traditional view of eternal damnation. Should be a hoot and a holler. Hope you'll stop by...„
“You are heading in the right direction, Paul. Misconceptions concerning what the Scriptures say and what we are taught will increasingly give way to the Truth if you keep going.
Believe me, it doesn't stop at Hell. After 35 years of Evangelical, Orthodox, Mainstream Christianity I am now on the outside looking in, so to speak. The more I read and study the more I see fault with popular doctrine.
At this point in life, I can honestly say I see the very character of our Father more clearly than at any other juncture. I wish you the best in your search. May I suggest Hell-Fact-Or-Fable.com?„
“Many of us are cheering you on, authenticity has been lost because of the parroting of traditional (last hundred years) doctrines without honest intellectual analysis. This is another of the sacred cows of some evangelicals, even as it dies in the light of Truth many more lie ahead. Your work is appreciated by so many of us!„
“Hmm... a very similar conflict I swam through and continue to do...
I think that Jesus used the word "Hades" as much as he used "Gehenna", though...
Peter used "Tartarus" in one of his epistles...
Then we have the whole "sheol" controversy...„
